A Note of Caution: Richard Dawkins, on the face of it, has so much right and in his favour - on this issue. He is quite correct that science, true science, in terms of objectivity, in terms of universality is knowledge gained that has a great assurance of relating to, and application in the real world. As such it is not "Western science" as he correctly points out, it is simply empirically verified knowledge that is accessible by anyone, can be tested, verified, peer reviewed by anyone, from any culture, language, or worldview, so long as they implement the same tried and trusted scientific method.
So in terms of "Western science" that's totally out of court, as much as "Maori knowledge" is - in terms of a distinction that makes each form, only accessible to each respective group - and here I'll use a phrase that is bandied about by such people - "because that is their lived experience". This is nothing less than an old mis-step in thinking and it is a form of "gnosticism". An idea that Christianity discarded long ago in its pursuit of truth.
But here's where my caution re. Richard Dawkins comes in.
We all know the power, and influence of Science, we like to think that science rules the world, and it does in some amazing ways. But here is my caution.
Science holds such sway in the world, it has such a powerful reputation in the world, the danger is that ideological zealots can use the good reputation of science to further an ideological agenda. And Maori are attempting to do this by presenting Maori knowledge as science, in the same way that other science gets accepted.
But this is not a clean shot.
Maori are in effect smuggling things in like Maori mythology, Maori spirituality, a Maori religious world view, in such a way that it all comes under the magic mantle of "Maori science" or Maori knowledge. This is an abuse of the reputation of science, which absolutely must, in order to retain a sense of public trust, in order to maintain its own valued reputation - keep a strict separation between what is empirically verified, scientifically peer reviewed work conducted according to the scientific method. In that way science can maintain it's good reputation as a source of objective, universally applicable knowledge.
It hardly needs saying, but knowing the current state of our world, I will anyway - that Maori arrived in a strange new land, and needed urgently to acquire knowledge of NZ's flora and fauna, its seasons, when fish were to be caught and where, what plants were poisonous or good for food, what herbs to use for ailments etc - in order to survive.
They have and they did.
I have no truck with this expertise in knowledge of NZ. But rather I honour the fact that it seems to me to be very "co-incidental", the issue that all of humanity, not only Maori - but all of humanity have found the world they live in to be intelligible.
That is the prime question that naturalists who make claims to science, should be asking, yet is conspicuously absent in their otherwise comprehensive quest for truth.
I cannot put it more plainly than the terms in which Albert Einstein put it when he proposed "๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฒ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ป๐ฎ๐น ๐บ๐๐๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐๐ผ๐ฟ๐น๐ฑ ๐ถ๐ ๐ถ๐๐ ๐ฐ๐ผ๐บ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ต๐ฒ๐ป๐๐ถ๐ฏ๐ถ๐น๐ถ๐๐…[๐]๐ต๐ฒ ๐ณ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ถ๐ ๐ถ๐ ๐ฐ๐ผ๐บ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ต๐ฒ๐ป๐๐ถ๐ฏ๐น๐ฒ ๐ถ๐ ๐ฎ ๐บ๐ถ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐น๐ฒ.” Likewise, the mathematical physicist Eugene Wigner (1902–1995) opined that “[๐]๐ต๐ฒ ๐บ๐ถ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐น๐ฒ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฎ๐ฝ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ผ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ถ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ๐ป๐ฒ๐๐ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐น๐ฎ๐ป๐ด๐๐ฎ๐ด๐ฒ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐บ๐ฎ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐บ๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ฐ๐ ๐ณ๐ผ๐ฟ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ณ๐ผ๐ฟ๐บ๐๐น๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป ๐ผ๐ณ ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐น๐ฎ๐๐ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐ฝ๐ต๐๐๐ถ๐ฐ๐ ๐ถ๐ ๐ฎ ๐๐ผ๐ป๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ณ๐๐น ๐ด๐ถ๐ณ๐ ๐๐ต๐ถ๐ฐ๐ต ๐๐ฒ ๐ป๐ฒ๐ถ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐๐ป๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ฟ๐๐๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐ป๐ผ๐ฟ ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐๐ฒ.”
These questions - so studiously ignored by the scientific community, especially those who are naturalists, constrain one to think that those who otherwise take extreme pride in the truth/knowledge gathering exercise - are in fact willfully negligent in avoiding this question of intelligibility. So significant by its absence one could be forgiven for thinking that they may not be enquiring after it - for the same reason a thief might not wish to find a policeman!
Now here is where I criticize Richard Dawkins.
Richard Dawkins, once touted in our local paper as - (Big Headline) - "๐ง๐ต๐ฒ ๐๐ฝ๐ผ๐๐๐น๐ฒ ๐๐ผ๐ฟ ๐๐๐ต๐ฒ๐ถ๐๐บ", is correctly noted as having his own religious axe to grind. In other words, he is not strictly speaking as an unbiased, neutral or impartial observer. He is just as guilty of abusing science, by leveraging off his own reputation as a scientist, to make - not scientific claims, not empirically verifiable, testable claims - but philosophical claims against all religions, chief of which among his critiques has been Christianity.
People who abuse their scientific status in order to push a personal barrow should not be trusted - or at least not in every respect.
While at this point I'd like to re-iterate that he is right in regards to "Maori science" - his angst has less to do with science, than his personal crusade against all religion.
Now many of you may be thinking - "๐๐ฉ๐ฐ ๐ข๐ฎ ๐ ๐ต๐ฐ ๐ฒ๐ถ๐ฆ๐ด๐ต๐ช๐ฐ๐ฏ ๐ด๐ถ๐ค๐ฉ ๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ช๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ต๐ญ๐บ ๐ง๐ข๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ถ๐ด ๐ด๐ค๐ช๐ฆ๐ฏ๐ต๐ช๐ด๐ต ๐ด๐ถ๐ค๐ฉ ๐ข๐ด ๐๐ช๐ค๐ฉ๐ข๐ณ๐ฅ ๐๐ข๐ธ๐ฌ๐ช๐ฏ๐ด?"
Well I've read his world famous best selling book "The God Delusion", excerpts from another major work called "The Blind Watchmaker" and bits and pieces from other material as well as watching him in various debates.
But here is proof of what I say from his own words:
"๐๐ฃ ๐ ๐ช๐ฃ๐๐ซ๐๐ง๐จ๐ ๐ค๐ ๐๐ก๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ฎ๐จ๐๐๐๐ก ๐๐ค๐ง๐๐๐จ ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐๐ฃ๐๐ฉ๐๐ ๐ง๐๐ฅ๐ก๐๐๐๐ฉ๐๐ค๐ฃ ๐จ๐ค๐ข๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ค๐ฅ๐ก๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ค๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ฉ๐ค ๐๐๐ฉ ๐๐ช๐ง๐ฉ, ๐ค๐ฉ๐๐๐ง ๐ฅ๐๐ค๐ฅ๐ก๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ค๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ฉ๐ค ๐๐๐ฉ ๐ก๐ช๐๐ ๐ฎ, ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ฎ๐ค๐ช ๐ฌ๐ค๐ฃ’๐ฉ ๐๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐ฃ๐ฎ ๐ง๐๐ฎ๐ข๐ ๐ค๐ง ๐ง๐๐๐จ๐ค๐ฃ ๐๐ฃ ๐๐ฉ, ๐ฃ๐ค๐ง ๐๐ฃ๐ฎ ๐๐ช๐จ๐ฉ๐๐๐. ๐๐๐ ๐ช๐ฃ๐๐ซ๐๐ง๐จ๐ ๐ฌ๐ ๐ค๐๐จ๐๐ง๐ซ๐ ๐๐๐จ ๐ฅ๐ง๐๐๐๐จ๐๐ก๐ฎ ๐ฉ๐๐ ๐ฅ๐ง๐ค๐ฅ๐๐ง๐ฉ๐๐๐จ ๐ฌ๐ ๐จ๐๐ค๐ช๐ก๐ ๐๐ญ๐ฅ๐๐๐ฉ ๐๐ ๐ฉ๐๐๐ง๐ ๐๐จ, ๐๐ฉ ๐๐ค๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ค๐ข, ๐ฃ๐ค ๐๐๐จ๐๐๐ฃ, ๐ฃ๐ค ๐ฅ๐ช๐ง๐ฅ๐ค๐จ๐, ๐ฃ๐ค ๐๐ซ๐๐ก ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ฃ๐ค ๐๐ค๐ค๐, ๐ฃ๐ค๐ฉ๐๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐ช๐ฉ ๐๐ก๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ฉ๐๐ก๐๐จ๐จ ๐๐ฃ๐๐๐๐๐๐ง๐๐ฃ๐๐. ๐ฟ๐๐ผ ๐ฃ๐๐๐ฉ๐๐๐ง ๐ ๐ฃ๐ค๐ฌ๐จ ๐ฃ๐ค๐ง ๐๐๐ง๐๐จ.
๐ฟ๐๐ผ ๐๐ช๐จ๐ฉ ๐๐จ. ๐ผ๐ฃ๐ ๐ฌ๐ ๐๐๐ฃ๐๐ ๐ฉ๐ค ๐๐ฉ๐จ ๐ข๐ช๐จ๐๐" -Richard Dawkins' (River Out Of Eden, p.133)
I know this is getting lengthy, but the devil is in the details.
The above statement is not strictly scientific. It is not empirically proven, can not be demonstrated in a laboratory, it's hardly even testable, meaning how is it to be given universal accord, or seen as "objective"? How indeed is it possible to believe it to be a statement evidenced from the scientific method?
It is in fact a philosophical statement made by a scientist. Now scientists - when they stay in their lane, are very knowledgeable about their particular area of expertise, but they can be as dumb as the next guy when they stray out of their specialty. And as someone who read his "The God Delusion", I can vouch - as others far more qualified than myself, like Alistair McGrath have, that he makes a very poor philosopher.
Science has assuredly not disproved the "God Hypothesis".
This abuse of science by scientists to attempt to harness the reputation of science to push an ideological barrow in the name of science - actually has quite a long pedigree.
Here's another example.
David Hume was an early empiricist, one of those who contributed greatly to the advancement and understanding of reason and rationality, the laws of logic, and the development of the scientific method.
He discovered a logical gap within what had become known as the "Principle of the Uniformity of Nature". (PUN). This gap became known as the famous "Problem of Induction" and has never been fully resolved since he elucidated the issue some hundreds of years ago.
Such was his brilliance.
But then he took the presuppositions of his worldview into the area of knowledge, into his "scientific" community and revealed - not truth - but how his own preconceived atheistic worldview blinded him, (as it indeed is capable of us also), blinded him to the truth.
As a thinker discovering the problem of induction he left the whole thrust of the Enlightenment project in serious doubt - if not in jeopardy - such was his brilliance.
But just as I've demonstrated with Richard Dawkins, he also let his bias influence his thinking.
Here's what he said in defiance of religion, (Christianity in particular as that was the default position of his time):
"๐๐ ๐ฌ๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ ๐ ๐๐ฃ ๐ค๐ช๐ง ๐๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐ฃ๐ฎ ๐ซ๐ค๐ก๐ช๐ข๐; ๐ค๐ ๐๐๐ซ๐๐ฃ๐๐ฉ๐ฎ ๐ค๐ง ๐จ๐๐๐ค๐ค๐ก ๐ข๐๐ฉ๐๐ฅ๐๐ฎ๐จ๐๐๐จ, ๐๐ค๐ง ๐๐ฃ๐จ๐ฉ๐๐ฃ๐๐; ๐ก๐๐ฉ ๐ช๐จ ๐๐จ๐ , ๐ฟ๐ค๐๐จ ๐๐ฉ ๐๐ค๐ฃ๐ฉ๐๐๐ฃ ๐๐ฃ๐ฎ ๐๐๐จ๐ฉ๐ง๐๐๐ฉ ๐ง๐๐๐จ๐ค๐ฃ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐ค๐ฃ๐๐๐ง๐ฃ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ฆ๐ช๐๐ฃ๐ฉ๐๐ฉ๐ฎ ๐ค๐ง ๐ฃ๐ช๐ข๐๐๐ง? ๐๐ค. ๐ฟ๐ค๐๐จ ๐๐ฉ ๐๐ค๐ฃ๐ฉ๐๐๐ฃ ๐๐ฃ๐ฎ ๐๐ญ๐ฅ๐๐ง๐๐ข๐๐ฃ๐ฉ๐๐ก ๐ง๐๐๐จ๐ค๐ฃ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐ค๐ฃ๐๐๐ง๐ฃ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ข๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ง ๐ค๐ ๐๐๐๐ฉ ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐ญ๐๐จ๐ฉ๐๐ฃ๐๐? ๐๐ค. ๐พ๐ค๐ข๐ข๐๐ฉ ๐๐ฉ ๐ฉ๐๐๐ฃ ๐ฉ๐ค ๐ฉ๐๐ ๐๐ก๐๐ข๐๐จ: ๐๐ค๐ง ๐๐ฉ ๐๐๐ฃ ๐๐ค๐ฃ๐ฉ๐๐๐ฃ ๐ฃ๐ค๐ฉ๐๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐ช๐ฉ ๐จ๐ค๐ฅ๐๐๐จ๐ฉ๐ง๐ฎ ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐ก๐ก๐ช๐จ๐๐ค๐ฃ," - ๐๐ฎ ๐ฉ๐๐ ๐ฅ๐๐๐ก๐ค๐จ๐ค๐ฅ๐๐๐ง ๐ฟ๐๐ซ๐๐ ๐๐ช๐ข๐.
So what's wrong with the statement?
Here’s the irony: Hume’s own criterion fails its own test.
The statement “All meaningful statements must be either mathematical or empirical” is neither mathematical (it’s not a theorem of logic) nor empirical (you can’t observe or test it in experience).
Therefore, by Hume’s own rule, his statement is meaningless and should itself be “committed to the flames.”
Hume the brilliant thinker let his atheism get in the way of good thinking, and subsequently made a fool of himself, though it was perhaps a good while before his au fait moment was recognized for what it is.
But let us revisit Richard Dawkins statement, particularly where he said: "๐ฟ๐๐ผ ๐๐ช๐จ๐ฉ ๐๐จ. ๐ผ๐ฃ๐ ๐ฌ๐ ๐๐๐ฃ๐๐ ๐ฉ๐ค ๐๐ฉ๐จ ๐ข๐ช๐จ๐๐".
This view has quite a consensus among scientists who also happen to adopt the philosophical position known as "Naturalism". Please note this is an inference, or an extrapolation from science, at best an interpretation of reality through a naturalist worldview lens - not strictly scientific.
Naturalism - as a philosophy - presupposes that we live in an absolutely closed system. That nature is all there is. Nothing extra-nature exists. Of course that cannot be proven scientifically, because the scientific method, properly understood, can only study nature, that's what it was specifically designed to do. So how could it, alone, make judgements about the existence or not, of anything outside of nature?
So naturalism entails that if we have any problem to solve, any explanation to find, it will be found in nature, because in this scheme - nothing else can exist.
So we come crashing back down to Dawkins "๐ฟ๐๐ผ ๐๐ช๐จ๐ฉ ๐๐จ. ๐ผ๐ฃ๐ ๐ฌ๐ ๐๐๐ฃ๐๐ ๐ฉ๐ค ๐๐ฉ๐จ ๐ข๐ช๐จ๐๐".
What does he mean? What problem is he attempting to solve? What's his point?
Dawkins is attempting to prove a widely held view among naturalists, including scientists who take that view, that everything about humanity is physically determined. Everything you do, every decision you make, while in your experience - feels like the exercise of your free will - is in fact determined by your DNA. You are nothing more than a biological machine, programmed from conception to death, and free will is entirely an illusion passed on to you by your experience of life, but having no substance in reality.
That's it.
That's what he intends - at the end of his books - for what you should believe. But here's the thing to recognize, it's just as much a "faith" position, as any other religious system.
Why?
Because it is an extrapolation from what is and can be scientifically known. It is an inference to what naturalists "believe", (note the word) about humanity and life. An inference to the best explanation they can muster. But it is their atheism that forces them into this position. It is not a deductive solid conclusion from the actual known facts, but an inductive argument.
Yet it gets much worse.
People who are much more adept at philosophy, have - for argument sake -assumed as true, what Dawkins and others have proposed, and worked from that presupposition, that we are entirely programmed, and -employing the right use of good philosophy - have taken that proposition to its final, logical conclusion.
(By the way philosophy is the parent of the scientific method, science at one point not being called science at all - but known by the phrase "Natural Philosophy")
So here's Christian philosopher Alvin Plantinga's clear rebuttal to Dawkins proposal that every aspect of humanity, (including the ability of free thought), is not free - but completely dictated by events and circumstances such as dictated by the (uncontested) programmed instructions written in our DNA.
- Plantinga’s defeater argument — naturalism cannot guarantee that belief-producing faculties [our minds] -are aimed at truth rather than mere survival utility. (This is based on the observation that most naturalists, also subscribe to unguided evolution.
- Under Naturalism, our faculties are selected for survival. Thus, if naturalism is true, it gives a defeater for trusting our own reasoning.
- Plantinga argues naturalism is possible, but once you reflect on its consequences for knowledge, it becomes epistemically self-defeating, because it undercuts the probability that our minds produce true beliefs.
Here's the contradiction: If we don't have any reliable sense of "free will" at all, if it is entirely an illusion, then where does that leave our supposed ability to think freely? Where does that leave the ability to know truth?
If everything is programmed - then how can we know if our thoughts have any relationship to what is true?
But Dawkins ideas about naturalism- is that naturalism is true. Yet if we believe naturalism is true, (humanity is fully determined, including his thoughts), then that view undermines the very idea of valid thinking.
C.S. Lewis elucidated the idea very succinctly:
"You cannot have a thought that destroys the validity of thinking,"
It is a version of his argument that you cannot use your own reasoning to prove that reason itself is invalid. He argued that if you use thought to prove that thinking is unreliable, you are undermining the very tool you need to make that argument in the first place.
The determinism that Dawkins proposes - does just that.
Here is one more sample that analogously demonstrates this idea:
"๐๐๐๐ฃ๐๐ซ๐๐ง ๐ฎ๐ค๐ช ๐ ๐ฃ๐ค๐ฌ ๐ฌ๐๐๐ฉ ๐ฉ๐๐ ๐ค๐ฉ๐๐๐ง ๐ข๐๐ฃ ๐๐จ ๐จ๐๐ฎ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐จ ๐ฌ๐๐ค๐ก๐ก๐ฎ ๐๐ช๐ ๐ฉ๐ค ๐๐๐จ ๐๐ค๐ข๐ฅ๐ก๐๐ญ๐๐จ ๐ค๐ง ๐ฉ๐ค ๐ ๐๐๐ฉ ๐ค๐ ๐๐ค๐ฃ๐ ๐ฅ๐ง๐๐จ๐จ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ค๐ฃ ๐๐๐จ ๐๐ง๐๐๐ฃ," [or alternatively as Dawkins states about being strictly externally programmed by DNA] "๐ฎ๐ค๐ช ๐๐๐๐จ๐ ๐ฉ๐ค ๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐๐ ๐๐ฃ๐ฎ ๐๐ข๐ฅ๐ค๐ง๐ฉ๐๐ฃ๐๐ ๐ฉ๐ค ๐๐ฉ. ๐ฝ๐ช๐ฉ ๐๐ ๐ฃ๐๐ฉ๐ช๐ง๐๐ก๐๐จ๐ข ๐ฌ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฉ๐ง๐ช๐ ๐ฉ๐๐๐ฃ ๐๐ก๐ก ๐ฉ๐๐ค๐ช๐๐๐ฉ๐จ ๐ฌ๐๐๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐๐ง ๐ฌ๐ค๐ช๐ก๐ ๐๐ ๐ฌ๐๐ค๐ก๐ก๐ฎ ๐ฉ๐๐ ๐ง๐๐จ๐ช๐ก๐ฉ ๐ค๐ ๐๐ง๐ง๐๐ฉ๐๐ค๐ฃ๐๐ก ๐๐๐ช๐จ๐๐จ. ๐๐๐๐ง๐๐๐ค๐ง๐, ๐๐ก๐ก ๐ฉ๐๐ค๐ช๐๐๐ฉ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ค๐ช๐ก๐ ๐๐ ๐๐ฆ๐ช๐๐ก๐ก๐ฎ ๐ฌ๐ค๐ง๐ฉ๐๐ก๐๐จ๐จ. ๐๐๐๐ง๐๐๐ค๐ง๐, ๐ฃ๐๐ฉ๐ช๐ง๐๐ก๐๐จ๐ข ๐๐จ ๐ฌ๐ค๐ง๐ฉ๐๐ก๐๐จ๐จ. ๐๐ ๐๐ฉ ๐๐จ ๐ฉ๐ง๐ช๐, ๐ฉ๐๐๐ฃ ๐ฌ๐ ๐๐๐ฃ ๐ ๐ฃ๐ค๐ฌ ๐ฃ๐ค ๐ฉ๐ง๐ช๐ฉ๐๐จ. ๐๐ฉ ๐๐ช๐ฉ๐จ ๐๐ฉ๐จ ๐ค๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐ฉ๐๐ง๐ค๐๐ฉ".
Just one more thing I want to add regarding the political educational cultural situation in NZ and I'm done.
The tenets of Multiculturalism have a deep stranglehold on our education, political, social realms in NZ.
This has come about by our educators deeply imbibing Post-Modern philosophy.
Here is the basic train of thought:
There is no absolute truth>Therefore there cannot be absolute objective moral truth> Culture is the distinctive collective of shared values, beliefs attitudes that create communities and around which they gather and by which create the bonds which allow those communities to cohabit peacefully, (more or less)> Because there is no universal objective truth, and therefore no objective morality all of these cultures have equal value> The claims made to objective truth, such as in Western science, or any form of knowledge, (religious, social, experiential, intuitive), are cynically observed to not actually be objectively true, but merely the means by which self-conceived "superior" groups armed with that "knowledge" seek to gain power over those outside the group> This creates hegemonic structures which keeps those with this knowledge having all of the best the world has to offer and consequently keeps everyone on the outside as the downtrodden and marginalized> The progamme of asserting equality, even superiority of such things as Maori knowledge helps to even the playing field, and answers the need for equity, (forced equality)> We all live happily ever after, owning nothing and reduced to the status of third world countries.
As with any system that at it's foundational level has embedded a lie, expose the lie, and the whole worldview collapses like the pack of cards it is.
Here's the lie, found right at the beginning of those attempts to take things one step at a time to their logical conclusions in that whole system of Post Modern philosophy:
The first premise upon which every other premise stands and followed from is "There is no such thing as absolute truth".
"No such thing..." means without exception. It's therefore proposing an absolute. What absolute is it proposing? The truth that there is no such thing as absolute truth. It is in fact proposing absolutely what it is denying absolutely and is therefore self defeating right from the start and exposed as a lie.
That is the state of many Western nations today, not excluding New Zealand.
If everything is programmed - then how can we know if our thoughts have any relationship to what is true?
But Dawkins ideas about naturalism- is that naturalism is true. Yet if we believe naturalism is true, (humanity is fully determined, including his thoughts), then that view undermines the very idea of valid thinking.
C.S. Lewis elucidated the idea very succinctly:
"You cannot have a thought that destroys the validity of thinking,"
It is a version of his argument that you cannot use your own reasoning to prove that reason itself is invalid. He argued that if you use thought to prove that thinking is unreliable, you are undermining the very tool you need to make that argument in the first place.
The determinism that Dawkins proposes - does just that.
Here is one more sample that analogously demonstrates this idea:
"๐๐๐๐ฃ๐๐ซ๐๐ง ๐ฎ๐ค๐ช ๐ ๐ฃ๐ค๐ฌ ๐ฌ๐๐๐ฉ ๐ฉ๐๐ ๐ค๐ฉ๐๐๐ง ๐ข๐๐ฃ ๐๐จ ๐จ๐๐ฎ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐จ ๐ฌ๐๐ค๐ก๐ก๐ฎ ๐๐ช๐ ๐ฉ๐ค ๐๐๐จ ๐๐ค๐ข๐ฅ๐ก๐๐ญ๐๐จ ๐ค๐ง ๐ฉ๐ค ๐ ๐๐๐ฉ ๐ค๐ ๐๐ค๐ฃ๐ ๐ฅ๐ง๐๐จ๐จ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ค๐ฃ ๐๐๐จ ๐๐ง๐๐๐ฃ," [or alternatively as Dawkins states about being strictly externally programmed by DNA] "๐ฎ๐ค๐ช ๐๐๐๐จ๐ ๐ฉ๐ค ๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐๐ ๐๐ฃ๐ฎ ๐๐ข๐ฅ๐ค๐ง๐ฉ๐๐ฃ๐๐ ๐ฉ๐ค ๐๐ฉ. ๐ฝ๐ช๐ฉ ๐๐ ๐ฃ๐๐ฉ๐ช๐ง๐๐ก๐๐จ๐ข ๐ฌ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฉ๐ง๐ช๐ ๐ฉ๐๐๐ฃ ๐๐ก๐ก ๐ฉ๐๐ค๐ช๐๐๐ฉ๐จ ๐ฌ๐๐๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐๐ง ๐ฌ๐ค๐ช๐ก๐ ๐๐ ๐ฌ๐๐ค๐ก๐ก๐ฎ ๐ฉ๐๐ ๐ง๐๐จ๐ช๐ก๐ฉ ๐ค๐ ๐๐ง๐ง๐๐ฉ๐๐ค๐ฃ๐๐ก ๐๐๐ช๐จ๐๐จ. ๐๐๐๐ง๐๐๐ค๐ง๐, ๐๐ก๐ก ๐ฉ๐๐ค๐ช๐๐๐ฉ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ค๐ช๐ก๐ ๐๐ ๐๐ฆ๐ช๐๐ก๐ก๐ฎ ๐ฌ๐ค๐ง๐ฉ๐๐ก๐๐จ๐จ. ๐๐๐๐ง๐๐๐ค๐ง๐, ๐ฃ๐๐ฉ๐ช๐ง๐๐ก๐๐จ๐ข ๐๐จ ๐ฌ๐ค๐ง๐ฉ๐๐ก๐๐จ๐จ. ๐๐ ๐๐ฉ ๐๐จ ๐ฉ๐ง๐ช๐, ๐ฉ๐๐๐ฃ ๐ฌ๐ ๐๐๐ฃ ๐ ๐ฃ๐ค๐ฌ ๐ฃ๐ค ๐ฉ๐ง๐ช๐ฉ๐๐จ. ๐๐ฉ ๐๐ช๐ฉ๐จ ๐๐ฉ๐จ ๐ค๐ฌ๐ฃ ๐ฉ๐๐ง๐ค๐๐ฉ".
Just one more thing I want to add regarding the political educational cultural situation in NZ and I'm done.
The tenets of Multiculturalism have a deep stranglehold on our education, political, social realms in NZ.
This has come about by our educators deeply imbibing Post-Modern philosophy.
Here is the basic train of thought:
There is no absolute truth>Therefore there cannot be absolute objective moral truth> Culture is the distinctive collective of shared values, beliefs attitudes that create communities and around which they gather and by which create the bonds which allow those communities to cohabit peacefully, (more or less)> Because there is no universal objective truth, and therefore no objective morality all of these cultures have equal value> The claims made to objective truth, such as in Western science, or any form of knowledge, (religious, social, experiential, intuitive), are cynically observed to not actually be objectively true, but merely the means by which self-conceived "superior" groups armed with that "knowledge" seek to gain power over those outside the group> This creates hegemonic structures which keeps those with this knowledge having all of the best the world has to offer and consequently keeps everyone on the outside as the downtrodden and marginalized> The progamme of asserting equality, even superiority of such things as Maori knowledge helps to even the playing field, and answers the need for equity, (forced equality)> We all live happily ever after, owning nothing and reduced to the status of third world countries.
As with any system that at it's foundational level has embedded a lie, expose the lie, and the whole worldview collapses like the pack of cards it is.
Here's the lie, found right at the beginning of those attempts to take things one step at a time to their logical conclusions in that whole system of Post Modern philosophy:
The first premise upon which every other premise stands and followed from is "There is no such thing as absolute truth".
"No such thing..." means without exception. It's therefore proposing an absolute. What absolute is it proposing? The truth that there is no such thing as absolute truth. It is in fact proposing absolutely what it is denying absolutely and is therefore self defeating right from the start and exposed as a lie.
That is the state of many Western nations today, not excluding New Zealand.
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